@Thalassokrator lol you wrote
"I didn't misquote you at all. I didn't quote you directly in #78. I merely pointed out that "The rest of your post is not even worth citing. You uncritically recite the Kremlin's propaganda about an alleged genocide word for word." (me in #78)"
you want to show me which post in which I uncritically recited 'the Kremlin's propaganda about an alleged genocide word for word". be honest. I just looked over my posts and I didn't once refer to Ukraine committing genocide in the eastern provinces of Ukraine. I did refer to war crimes, murder and torture, by Ukrainian neonazisall of which have been substantiated, including by reports in the western media. Was that the source of your mistake, when you wrongly asserted that I was mindlessly repeating kremlin propaganda? would you like to acknowledge that you are wrong now?
mindless US apologists for the constant interference by the US in countries all over the world always, and i mean alway, refer to critics of these various attempts to destabilize and overthrow governments, and illegal invasions, and genocides as agents of whichever government is being targeted at the moment. This was true in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, and it is currently true in the proxy war in Ukraine, as you have usefully exemplified in your post.
I like the way you credit JFK "carefully" labeling the mindless US escalation of the Cuban Missile Crisis as not being a war while not even mentioning Russia's labeling of the conflict of the conflict in Ukraine as a special military operation, not a war but then intellectual consistency is not your forte. the conflict over missiles in Cuba, provoked by the US initially, and then escalated by JFK's blockade (as opposed to simply agreeing to withdraw the missiles in Turkey, which he eventually did, but got the Soviets to agree not to publicize that fact), almost provoked the third world war. however you want to label it, it was the closest we've come to a nuclear confrontation until this latest crisis; again, one provoked needlessly by NATO expansion, contrary to verbal agreements between the Bush administration and Gorbachev. Ignoring the whole context and history of the cold war and blatant US interventions in Russia and former countries of the USSR from 1990 until now may be useful in portraying Russia as the clear aggressor in this situation, but it is not an intelligent way of analyzing this present conflict, and it is not honest, as you would know if you had read the links you requested. I am being charitable in assuming your ignorance.
Here are some more links, just in case you are interested in learning how this war (and yes, not being a mindless Kremlin apologist, I am calling it a war, just as I characterized the US attempted invasion of Cuba earlier, followed by the escalation by the US to the brink of World War 3 with the blockade of Russian ships, as a war. indeed, being generally antiwar, I have no problem characterizing the very numerous US invasions and regime change operations since the end of World War 2 as wars, and unconstitutional wars at that, because they aren't "labeled" wars--starting I think with Korea. 75 years of proxy wars, and counting.
theintercept.com/2023/03/03/russia-ukraine-war-weapons/This is the Intercept, and the author, as well as the site, are hardly kremlin supporters. Indeed, they lied about Russiagate, finally exposed as a tissue of lies by Matt Taibbi's twitter files, as well as by Glenn Greenwald, who left the site he founded because of its shameless promotion of those lies. So you take comfort that you are not being exposed to Kremlin propaganda as you begin your learning process. Here is a helpful quote to get you started
"It also seeks to relegate to a dungeon of insignificance the vast U.S. record of foreign policy, military, and intelligence catastrophes as well as its abuses and crimes by pretending that only lackeys for Moscow would dare question our role in a foreign conflict on the other side of the globe."
this is a guy who buys into the idea that Putin was completely unjustified by launching the war in the first place, and even he disdains your cheap attempt to foreclose debate by smear as he acknowledges Russia's legitimate security concerns. Oh and not a word about the language issues you are fixated on at the expense of paying attention to the far more pressing Russian security concerns.
thegrayzone.com/2022/11/13/un-envoy-fabricating-viagra-russian/this is a useful example of the mindless NATO propaganda we have all been subjected to in the past few years. I heartily recommend the Grayzone and especially Aaron Mate articles and videos there, he did a lot to expose the lies behind the alleged Assad government gas attack in Douma, which also exposed how the US has corrupted OPCW since the second Iraq War. by the way, the US is attempting to overthrow the Syrian government, and has been for years across several presidents, and is currently still stealing Syrian oil. Freedom and democracy my ass.
for yet another view on the US/NATO proxy war in Ukraine, here is another Grayzone article.
thegrayzone.com/2023/02/27/europeans-protest-natos-proxy-war/I'm encouraged that europeans, as well as so many in the US, see through US and NATO lies about this war, despite the flood of propaganda in an increasingly compliant US media. The US attack on the German and Russian pipeline probably is a factor, which by the way is a violation of the NATO treaty. NATO members are not supposed to attack each other. that's a violation of article 5.
and here is an informative article about US officials ignoring the links between neonazis and the government the US installed by coup in 2014.
thegrayzone.com/2023/02/27/europeans-protest-natos-proxy-war/finally, here is a Glenn Greenwald video that I have not watched yet. we can both learn from this no doubt, and exciting educational opportunity you will no doubt be excited by in your attempt to learn more about why this war happened. enjoy!
rumble.com/vvrd3t-the-war-in-ukraine.html 