@Laughnchill said in #1:
> I've been playing a while now and have started to get into a growth groove and I'm hoping to figure out which opening in the e4 family to focus on. I'm torn between the italian(which I have decent familiarity but haven't dove intl) or the kings gambit(which just seems fun). I like aggressive openings for white but I don't want to focus on an opening that will ultimately hinder me in the long run.
Some openings u can play as White with e4 are
Ruy Lopez
Scotch
Vienna
Giocou Piano
Four Knights
> I've been playing a while now and have started to get into a growth groove and I'm hoping to figure out which opening in the e4 family to focus on. I'm torn between the italian(which I have decent familiarity but haven't dove intl) or the kings gambit(which just seems fun). I like aggressive openings for white but I don't want to focus on an opening that will ultimately hinder me in the long run.
Some openings u can play as White with e4 are
Ruy Lopez
Scotch
Vienna
Giocou Piano
Four Knights
@EvilPyrokar said in #11:
> Ur the first and probably the last....
I don't think so. Scotch is one of the more popular openings. It's also my most promising candidate for when I decide that I want something a bit more fancy than the good old Italian.
> Ur the first and probably the last....
I don't think so. Scotch is one of the more popular openings. It's also my most promising candidate for when I decide that I want something a bit more fancy than the good old Italian.
. e4, e5, nf3, nc6, d4, exd4, nxd4, qh4!
that's my line to refute it. it gives your opponent a very difficult time, and stellar defense is needed to defend against it. ofc if they play the scotch gambit then you're the one defending.
that's my line to refute it. it gives your opponent a very difficult time, and stellar defense is needed to defend against it. ofc if they play the scotch gambit then you're the one defending.
The opening explorer says you played this variant in 1 classic game that you lost and 1 rapid game that you won (opponent rated a bit over 1200 fell for an obvious trap and blundered a rook). Not sure if this counts as a refute.
A lot of good choices to make here. In fact, I don't see anything wrong with any of them.
FWIW, I used to play a lot of King's Gambits, but I have switched to the Vienna opening (1.e4 e5 2.Nc3), often transposing into KG territory with 3.f4. But I have played all of the above, except the Scotch opening. And that certainly isn't because I think it's a bad opening, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Probably the one opening that any ambitious player has to learn to use is the Spanish (Ruy Lopez): 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5. That doesn't have to be your first choice, you can leave it (and the ocean of theory to swim in) until later, but sooner or later we all need to learn the lessons that have been taught by all of the world's best players over the centuries. There is a greater variety of pawn structures, more middle game plans in the Spanish opening than in any other opening. And so, in becoming familiar with this one opening, one may accrue more transferable knowledge and skills than from any other opening. IMHO.
FWIW, I used to play a lot of King's Gambits, but I have switched to the Vienna opening (1.e4 e5 2.Nc3), often transposing into KG territory with 3.f4. But I have played all of the above, except the Scotch opening. And that certainly isn't because I think it's a bad opening, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Probably the one opening that any ambitious player has to learn to use is the Spanish (Ruy Lopez): 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5. That doesn't have to be your first choice, you can leave it (and the ocean of theory to swim in) until later, but sooner or later we all need to learn the lessons that have been taught by all of the world's best players over the centuries. There is a greater variety of pawn structures, more middle game plans in the Spanish opening than in any other opening. And so, in becoming familiar with this one opening, one may accrue more transferable knowledge and skills than from any other opening. IMHO.
@GabeMiami17 said in #14:
> . e4, e5, nf3, nc6, d4, exd4, nxd4, qh4!
>
> that's my line to refute it. it gives your opponent a very difficult time, and stellar defense is needed to defend against it. ofc if they play the scotch gambit then you're the one defending.
In order to check the quality of an opening line with the Lichess database tree we should use the "Masters database". The Scotch scores as well as the Italian so definitly ok. In the kings gambit which was discussed earlier White has a win rate of only 30% compared to 36% win rate for black: Definitly not a good sign.
The Qh4-line you mentioned has a slight shock value like every early queen move of this type, but if you look up the opening tree you find that it is the line with the highest win rate for white: 44% and 55% after whites best move Nc3 ! In other words: It is the worst main line for black.
Yes: In the main line after 5. Nc3 Bb4 6. Be2 Qxe4 7. Nb5 Bxc3 8. bxc3 which are all natural moves and therefore relatively easy to find for white even if you don't know the opening well black is a pawn up and white has isolated double pawns on the c-line. But: Black has to play Kd8 so that the king stays in the middle and white has better development ... and therefore the fun.
> . e4, e5, nf3, nc6, d4, exd4, nxd4, qh4!
>
> that's my line to refute it. it gives your opponent a very difficult time, and stellar defense is needed to defend against it. ofc if they play the scotch gambit then you're the one defending.
In order to check the quality of an opening line with the Lichess database tree we should use the "Masters database". The Scotch scores as well as the Italian so definitly ok. In the kings gambit which was discussed earlier White has a win rate of only 30% compared to 36% win rate for black: Definitly not a good sign.
The Qh4-line you mentioned has a slight shock value like every early queen move of this type, but if you look up the opening tree you find that it is the line with the highest win rate for white: 44% and 55% after whites best move Nc3 ! In other words: It is the worst main line for black.
Yes: In the main line after 5. Nc3 Bb4 6. Be2 Qxe4 7. Nb5 Bxc3 8. bxc3 which are all natural moves and therefore relatively easy to find for white even if you don't know the opening well black is a pawn up and white has isolated double pawns on the c-line. But: Black has to play Kd8 so that the king stays in the middle and white has better development ... and therefore the fun.
Yes, I've looked at the line but its still going to surprise your opponent and great defense is needed to survive against it
Ah, the eternal struggle of choosing a chess opening – it's like picking between a salad and a pizza when you're starving.
The Italian, the opening that's been sitting quietly in the corner, sipping on herbal tea, and then there's the King's Gambit, the opening that screams, "Hold my pawn, I'm going in!"
So, whether you're sipping herbal tea with the Italian or headbanging with the King's Gambit, just remember to bring your chessboard – you might need it when your pawns start crowd surfing!
The Italian, the opening that's been sitting quietly in the corner, sipping on herbal tea, and then there's the King's Gambit, the opening that screams, "Hold my pawn, I'm going in!"
So, whether you're sipping herbal tea with the Italian or headbanging with the King's Gambit, just remember to bring your chessboard – you might need it when your pawns start crowd surfing!
1 e4?!
That's so ... 2023.
That's so ... 2023.
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